Actually, I firstly knew about the well-known myth,Troy,by reading comics when I was young,and that was also the first time I read a western myth with so many heroes.I felt the cruelty of wars and the inequality between human and divinity from the pictures and brief words sideward.To be honest,at that time,it was quite difficult for me to remember those heroes’ names because their names were too long and awkward to read.After I begun to learn English, I acquired that every name of ancient Greek people is of great meaning linked to their parents’ expectation,personal characters,experience or some other things.For example,Helen,the name of the heroine,means light in Greek.Reading their name in English is more smooth.When I can read the literature work of the myth and reflect it more deeply with age.The movie,Helen of Troy,shows us a famous Greek myth,which embraces intense desire,strong request for humanism,and deep love,apart from tragic wars.Though actors may be not able to reprise mythical figures in the movie perfectly because there are unique images of heroes and females in everyone’s heart and the movie don’t reflect the mythy in accordance with the literature completely,the movie reveals themes above excellently.The virtual origin of the war is intense desire.Hera,Athena and Aphrodite were all eager to be judged as the most beautiful goddess,and from my standpoint, the golden apple was the symbol of their desire. To realize their desire,Hera pleased Pairs with wealth, Athena pleased him with victory and glory,while Aphrodite promised the most beautiful woman of the world,Helen,to him.As a shepherd without noble birth,I think it’s normal for Pairs to choose Helen because apart from being accompanied with a beautiful woman to live a happy and simple life,wealth,victory and glory were almost rubbish for a mortal. At that time,compared with three goddesses,Pairs was a simple guy without strong selfish desire,but never could he think of that goddesses’ desire made wreaked havoc of war and his fate and Troy’s fate would experience major turning due to his selection.At beginning,Pairs did not want to bring wars to his motherland and Greek city-states.He was so poor to be condemned as the culprit of the war and Troy’s subjugation.In the movie,the desire of Greek kings that expanded their territory was also the origin of the war--it was unreasonable to launch a war which unified all Greek city-states’ power only for retaking a woman and safeguarding the reputation of Greece.In the movie,when Menelaus was aware that he couldn’t kill his rival,Pairs,on account of the guard of god,so he stopped attack.Then the two men sat down together and had a talk about Helen and the war calmly--their final silence indicated their consensus that the war was actually meaningless and people should have not killed each other.Later Helen’s surrender could not stop the war,which also proved the main purpose of Greek armies was not Helen. As I see it,Pairs was innocent,and it was the desire of gods and kings brought people pain.Like many other western myths,strong request for humanism is also an important topic of the myth. It’s widely believed that the origin of humanism in western world lies in Greek culture.Humanism advocates personal freedom,equality and self value that are strongly expected to get by oppressed people. The myth can be perceived as a Greek condemnation on oppression and the strong request for humanism--people ought to dominate their own fate and their lives shouldn’t be toys of power.From the beginning to the end,gods made great difference.It’s unusual that the movie shows the power of gods indirectly--no god appeared in the battlefield but their power existed.It’s easy to find that people were unable to resist the wish of god and the duels between two heroes were interfered by gods’ power,which led to numerous amazing results.Beside,in my opinion,Princess Cassandra is a crazy,cold and poor figure whose spiritual world was dominated by gods--she clung to oracle that if Paris lives,Troy will be burnt,and she attempted to prevent the oracle coming true by a negative means--kill her brother.What she wanted to do was so cruel and in the meanwhile,her life was obsessed by the oracle,which led her life unhappy and full of scare.To be honest,the act of the actress exaggerates the image of Princess Cassandra,but it can immerse ourselves in ancient Greek’s fear to the gods and their prediction,how god’s power controlled people’s life and people’s strong request for humanism.Last but not least,the element of love will never absent in Greek myths.I find that love is the common nature of human,nymphs as well as gods in Greek myths,and love can’t be eliminated completely by no means.The first scene of the movie was the birth of Paris-- when Paris was born,his elder sister,Princess Cassandra,who had the power to see into the future told her father,the king of Troy,a dire prediction that if the baby boy lives,Troy will be burnt.Thus the king decided to abandon the little baby,at that moment,it was maternal love that prompted the queen of Troy to struggle to rise up to recapture her son,but she failed. Many years later,when the king and the queen realized that the guy on the sand of the colosseum was their abandoned son,they hugged their son and recognized him,forgetting the terrible oracle.The plot of the movie was adopted from the literature and added more details about sincere emotions of human.For example,when Paris limped after a desperate fight against Menelaus,Hector offered to take the place of his injured brother to challenge Agamemnon--this is love between brothers.No matter how cruel the war was,sincere emotions always existed.All in all,war is not the core theme of the myth or the movie.I believe concepts that worth pondering in the myth or the movie are abundant.
现实与神话交杂,是这部电影的特色。
也是由于各国民俗的不同吧,加上环境、思维等等,这一切的不同,使人另眼相看他国的过去,仅此一点,慢慢地看完了这部电影。
美国眼中的希腊时代民主观念,带着消灭传说的实用主义,宣扬独立自由的明显倾向,可是这种诠释带着太多的理想化成分和意识形态的侵略心理,这是原本现实可见的事物变得像是完美的天堂,too good to believe,就是这个意思。
强暴海伦,阿伽门农攻破特洛伊后做的第一件事。
女人,尤其是漂亮的女人,在战乱中总是会成为牺牲品。
不止是海伦,还有《西西里美丽传说》中的Melena(莫妮卡·贝鲁奇),《等待黎明》中的阿男(叶童)……当电影看到这里,作为观众的你,是怎么想的呢?
总觉得女人的过分美丽真的是一种罪过——你可以如此的肆意,哭的最无辜,笑的最灿烂。
更可以让无数的男人为你不惜一切,连生命都不要。
真是不知道那些家伙在想些什么,仅仅为了你的美丽么?
仅仅,或者这个词用的很无耻,这样一个迷人的女子,连我都认真的爱她,何况那些男人?
然而女孩对女孩的爱是完全不同的吧……没有看上她的脸,不会嫉妒。
这种透明的爱和喜欢,是只想着迷乱的男人所无法感受的……女爱是为大爱,也可能被骂是les,无畏。
可是海伦啊,我又是这么恨你…………当女孩子已经只能靠着男子生存时,她就丧失了自己的本性了吧?
即便你再灿烂的对着我笑,总还是少了什么的……当命运的指轮落到你丈夫里,当你母亲背转身不再要你时,你是否想过反抗呢?
特洛伊完了,帕里斯不在了,你被你丈夫拖回去的时候,我真的看到回身看我的你,静静的流泪了……佳人倾城……
在希腊神话中,宙斯比孙悟空还会变身,一会儿变天鹅一会儿变水牛,上天入地探访美女,遗珠遍天下,他被封为“众神之父”倒也算实至名归,不过他也把希腊神话人物的血缘关系搞得一团糟。
宙斯的创造力点燃了历史上众多艺术家的灵感,其中出现频率最高的就是丽达与天鹅,连达芬奇都画过,丽达搂着天鹅脸上呈现蒙娜丽莎的神秘微笑。
Leda and the Swan by Leonardo da Vinci叶芝认为历史旋体每两千年循环一次,循环由一位姑娘和一只禽类的结合引发,最近一次由圣母玛利亚和白鸽生下了耶稣,上一次是丽达和天鹅生下了海伦,世界大乱。
丽达是斯巴达国后,在国王丈夫和化成天鹅的宙斯的共同努力下,丽达产了两个天鹅蛋,每个蛋中有一对龙凤胎,其中两个儿子就是著名的双子座。
很复杂是吧?
(下面要剧透啦)难怪导演砍掉了天鹅蛋、双子座变独子,并交待国王知道海伦不是自己亲生的很嫌恶她,丽达也羞愤而死。
海伦只有一个兄弟。
阿伽门农来向海伦的姐姐克莱提斯纳斯求婚(神话中说姐姐先嫁了宙斯的某个儿子,阿伽门农杀死她的丈夫和孩子,强娶了她)他和弟弟梅尼勒斯同时觊觎着海伦,没等他们动作,海伦就被绑走了,作案的是两个老国王,他们通过掷筛子的方式决定海伦跟谁。
有学者认为海伦与老国王生有一女,后来过继给自己的姐姐,就是阿伽门农杀了祭天的那个小女孩。
导演没采纳这种说法,他认为老国王千里迢迢地抢个美人回来是要锻炼自己的定力,哈哈,原来老国王还是法海和甘地的祖师爷呢。
剧中海伦对老国王施展青蛇对法海的那一套,老国王挺住了,随后和前来解救海伦的哥哥同归于尽。
(神话中是老国王要还绑匪同伴的人情,帮人家抢女人被抓关到死,而双子座也是抢别人的双胞胎未婚妻未遂被杀)于是海伦的爸爸国王就没了继承人,痛恨海伦之余,把她丢给一堆大小王,包括阿基琉斯,这里他变成一个肌肉发达嗓门震天的光头巨人,哪里是传说中穿女装可以乱真的美男子?
我开始怀念《特洛伊》中的布拉德彼特,当时还觉得他的造型很糟,原来是没看到更糟的呀。
大小王发誓不管谁娶了海伦,都要保护她的丈夫,今后对海伦只可远观不可亵玩。
他们很没创意地再次掷筛子决定,结果海伦归梅尼勒斯,他因此继承王位当上了斯巴达国王。
(神话中说海伦自己做主选的丈夫)导演安排梅尼勒斯投桃报李,让海伦在婚前脱光光给几百个大小王细细瞧了一遍。
嗯,女演员的身材比面孔漂亮多了,还是导演有洞察力呀。
影片的名字Helen of Troy是一个成语,类似中文中的倾国倾城、红颜祸水、妲己亡商、西施沼吴之类的。
其实拍著名美人的故事很难,演员太难找了,这部片子里的海伦比《特洛伊》里的略好,但也没到让人惊艳的程度,这一脱,不光大小王目瞪口呆,我也呆呆地想了半天,这么重要的情节看书的时候怎么会错过呢?
是不是以女演员的相貌引发一场10年大战不够号召力呢?
反正导演很明智地让阿伽门农决定攻打特洛伊,抢夺丝绸香料商路和黄金。
为此帕里斯才跑来媾和正好赶上了海伦的脱衣秀。
四目相对,找到了梦中人。
海伦演出完毕才想起羞愧,跑去跳楼,被帕里斯接住……听到姐夫要杀帕里斯,美女救英雄……等帕里斯的船开走,她又跳海游泳追了过去……大军压境,她想起自己的责任要回去……战都打了10年了她才向预言家求教如何结束战争,这个海伦做事怎么总是慢半拍呢?
后来导演又取消了海伦在帕里斯死后的改嫁,反而安排阿伽门农强暴了海伦,而且大小王还帮着他拦着他弟弟……导演还真是喜欢让海伦脱衣服。
于是乎罪大恶极的阿伽门农就被妻子杀了,海伦一百个不情愿地跟着丈夫回了家(神话中海伦还是施展了一些媚术才让他回心转意的)。
就这样,特洛伊被改写成了海伦和帕里斯之恋外带四五角关系。
关于特洛伊战争拍摄过不少片子,谁都对古希腊神话史上因为一个美丽女人而发动的十年战争有所期待,然而似乎没有一个片子找到了众人心中的美女。
在这个版本里,却展现了一个最帅的帕里斯王子,倒是小小安慰了一下。
古希腊神话异常丰富,关于海伦的故事也有多个版本,这部影片的最大亮点就是将单个神话故事串成一条珍珠项链,有逻辑性地讲述战争始末,从内容上讲是最能帮助观众重建特洛伊传奇故事的版本。
稍感冗长,但是瑕不掩瑜,对我们了解神话故事助一臂之力,画面也比较真实。
对于前面评论说的色情,我特别不理解,应该是04版的才是色情与暴力吧
In these dark times,the only thing we have left hold on to is love, the one true gift of gods, and it is through love that we hope and pray the gods will send us peace. 看完Helen of Troy,我哭了,不能自已。
我通篇只看到了两个字:苦难。
一出生就被国王和王后遗弃的帕里斯,一出生就被父亲视为不详的海伦,爱上海伦却被海伦离弃的斯巴达王,身为希腊王后却憎恨自己丈夫的海伦的姐姐,英勇却被残忍的阿基琉斯杀死的赫克托,善良而睿智但却亡国的特洛伊国王……一群人的命运纠缠在一起,不得超脱。
唯一让人感到温暖的,是海伦和帕里斯的爱情。
他们为彼此而存在,为彼此而抗争。
但仍然要面临死亡、离别,天各一方,各自面对着孤独与思念。
命运。
最后,历尽屈辱和悲伤的海伦来到帕里斯死去的地方,抚摸着柱子上帕里斯的血迹,神样的帕里斯从烟雾中现身。
他拉起她:“Brave Helen”."wherever you are,take me with you.”"I can not.”“Will we meet again?”“I prepare you place”"Good.”海伦答道。
然后帕里斯就消失了。
那是她所有的希望。
海伦与斯巴达王的对话也是意味深长。
他抽出剑,海伦恭顺地俯下身体、露出脖颈。
"Do you really think I will kill you, Helen?""I do not thank you for my life.""I understand.""I can not love you.”“what will you do?""I will follow you."海伦说。
一丝欣慰涌上斯巴达王的面颊,“I accept.”她虽然不爱他,但她决定信任他。
她跟着他,消失在路的尽头。
2003年版的Helen of Troy比2004年版的Troy拍得好,它更深地诠释出了人性与命运、苦难与爱情。
只是爱情,可以给我们救赎吗?
等待,是一千年,还是一万年?
This movie tells us a story rather a piece of history. A story xabout love, desire and fate.Instead of Trojan War, the movie focuses on the most beautiful woman in the world, Helen, and talks about her happiness, sadness, and her love story. This movie basics on the mythology of Trojan War, which remain for 10 years between Troy and Greek. Besides, the director and screenwriters add a lot of imagination of Trojan War into the movie, which makes this movie more attractive and dramatic than the history it is. The myth of Trojan War is about men’s power and strength. In “Helen of Troy”, the principle line is centring on Helen, and this original perspective of Trojan War brings us a new story and gives us another understanding of this myth. Compared with the fight scenes between two countries, the movie uses more parts to narrate the story of Helen. What’s more, it turns Trojan War from a ruthless war story into a moving love story. At the beginning, infant Paris was predicted by his sister that his growth would bring the whole Trojan into death, and he was abandoned by his cruel father. The destiny was unfold before audience. Under the guidance of the goddess Aphrodite, Paris saw Helen from the gold apple, and Helen saw him in the water. Then they could not help but fell in love with each other. Their love were not accepted, because when Paris found Helen, she was wife of the king Sparta, Menelaus. Paris and Helen confront their love and impediments, however, this cause the conflict between Troy and Greek.From this movie, we can see the tragedies of women directly. They did not have any rights to do what they like. They could not choose their loves, and women then were just used as a tool for men’s game of thrones. Such as Helen, she knew herself loved Paris when she saw him first time, but she still had to marry Menelaus. She could not make decision for herself. It is very ridiculous to blame Helen on causing the big war. Cassandra, who predicted the ending of Troy, always said that Helen would bring Troy into disaster. Who caused the war exactly? It were the aggressive men. Helen was just a brave woman who followed heart and chased her love. The emulative dominators would still fight against each other even if Helen did not escape with Paris. Helen was used as a tool or a reason for men’s conquer. Therefore, it was not fair for Helen to undertake the responsibility of Trojan War.There is another question, what is the fate? In Cassandra’s eyes, Paris made Troy burnt, and Helen’s arrival brought Troy unfortunate is the fate. Nevertheless, in my opinion, the fate is that Helen and Paris hit it off right from the start. The fate in this story is love rather than the war.In addition, we can see the greedy and cruel men in that period especially in Greek. Agamamnon and Achilles are described as such hateful men. By contrast, Paris and Menelaus are more kind and lofty. In fact, before I watched “Helen of Troy”, I was more supporting Greek side, because it was Troy who had prior fault, and it was Paris who robbed Menelaus’ wife. However, the charactors in this movie were depicted very vivid, it successfully changed Paris into a brave, kind, and upright boy, and also, Menelaus became a humane person. The background music of this movie is beautiful and graceful, and it sounds like telling a sad story. Especially after Paris was died and Troy was occupied by the Greeks, Paris appeared infront of Helen, which was just the hallucination of Helen. The frames combined with the music makes audiece feel regretful for Helen. Trojan War was a disaster, not only for Troy, but also for Helen.As the movie tells us at last, “War is waged by nations, but it is the human beings that pay the price.” The poor citizens suffered the severe pain, as well as Helen, the poor woman who lost her love, the love which she ever called it “hope”.
著名的希腊神话故事,特洛伊城的巴利斯王子,爱上了美丽非凡的海伦,并不顾一切的将她带回了特洛伊城。
谁知海伦本是巴斯达国王的爱妃,愤怒的巴斯达下令向特洛伊城发起进攻,一场残酷的战争拉开了序幕。
希腊神话的精粹,希腊神话中最波澜壮阔的篇章,一个女人毁灭了一个国家。
海伦,希腊神话中人世间第一美女,你的美貌和红杏出墙给特洛伊这个国家带来了灭顶之灾,一个国家的人被全部屠杀。
几千年以来,欧洲历史学家反复讨论的一个话题就是这场战争的本质是什么是为了人世间最美丽的女子海伦还是人。
还是希腊文化课上看的··我被光头的Archillis雷到了
演员都不认识,不过比新版的忠实荷马史诗
没觉得这个海伦比DK好多少..
it's all god's work
再美的女人也不美不过人们的想象,包括西耶娜;再美的女人也不可能真的引发十年的战争,不过是男人的借口罢了。一直不解的问题是,那么大的木马,能经受得住敌人的好奇吗?
不怎么出名,但是比较尊重原著的一部
当时很喜欢女主角
和特洛伊没得比的,前面是史诗大作,这个纯粹是偶像剧,把帕里斯拍的和神一样的!
总体感觉这部片子都没有1956年的那版来得出彩,特别是前半段的铺垫未免有些太长了,导演这是把电影当成了电视剧来拍了吧,后半部分的战争戏本来应该是重头戏的,却只用几段规模不大的打斗来敷衍了事,还有浓浓的山寨特效的痕迹,唯一的亮点就是结尾部分那座点题的木马,算是影视剧中造型设计最为别致的
终于还是没有看完,对不起某人的推荐。
非常好看,比troy强到哪里去了
这版不错。。
复杂,冲动,原情节。比《特洛伊》好很多。
这才算是有点海伦的魅惑力
为了如此样貌的女人居然开战,大概被催眠了吧
商业化剧情其实还不错,就是Helen算是我见过的特洛伊题材的电影里最差的了,五官线条生硬,一股总攻霸道总裁的气场,毫无魅惑
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噱头大于电影其他的一切
Their passion ignited a war and destroyed an empire比Brad Peter演的那个什么大片好看多了。
剧本改编的好 角度把握好 情感视角好